๐️ Restored Gospel vs. Post-Joseph LDS Theology
๐️ Restored Gospel vs. Post-Joseph LDS Theology
(Expanded, Scripture-Anchored Study)
There was a time I didn’t question any of this.
I believed the Restoration was complete.
That everything lined up the way it was supposed to.
But over time…
Through scripture—especially the Book of Mormon…
And through records like the Nemenhah Records…
I started noticing something.
Not loudly.
Not critically.
Just quietly.
๐ Some things don’t match anymore.
So I wrote this out…
simple…
so anyone can check it.
๐ฅ 1. Baptism of the Holy Ghost
Restored Gospel (Scriptural Pattern):
A distinct, experiential baptism of fire—not symbolic.
๐ 2 Nephi 31:13
“Then cometh a remission of your sins by fire and by the Holy Ghost.”
๐ 3 Nephi 9:20
“Ye shall offer for a sacrifice unto me a broken heart and a contrite spirit…”
๐ This describes a transforming event, not just a conferral.
Nemenhah Insight:
The Haymehnay seals truth into the soul—it is felt, lived, and confirmed inwardly.
Post-Joseph LDS Framing:
Received at confirmation (age 8), often viewed as conferred by authority.
๐ Observation:
Scripture emphasizes experience and transformation
Institution emphasizes ordinance and conferral
๐ชถ 2. Truth Progression
Restored Gospel:
Truth grows—and sometimes replaces what we thought was true.
๐ Alma 32:28
“It beginneth to swell within your breasts…”
๐ D&C 50:24
“That which is of God is light…”
๐ Truth is alive and expanding
Nemenhah:
Teach principles, not rigid systems—so truth can continue across generations.
Post-Joseph LDS:
Truth is preserved through prophetic continuity; consistency is emphasized.
๐ Observation:
Living revelation vs stabilized framework
⚖️ 3. Authority & Apostasy
Restored Gospel Definition:
Apostasy begins when people rely on men instead of God.
๐ 2 Nephi 28:31
“Cursed is he that putteth his trust in man…”
๐ Jeremiah 17:5
“Cursed be the man that trusteth in man…”
Nemenhah Pattern:
Even covenant people fall when they stop seeking the Peacemaker directly.
Post-Joseph LDS Definition:
Apostasy = rejecting prophetic leadership.
๐ Observation:
Scripture warns against misplaced trust
Institution defines safety through leadership alignment
๐ 4. The Nature of the Soul
Restored Gospel (Expanded View):
God’s work is ongoing… growth continues.
๐ John 5:17
“My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.”
Nemenhah Themes:
Souls are placed according to readiness; progression continues beyond a single phase.
Post-Joseph LDS:
One mortal life followed by final judgment.
๐ Observation:
Continuous progression vs single probation model
๐️ 5. Endowment of Power
Restored Gospel:
Power comes from God directly to the sanctified.
๐ Luke 24:49
“Endued with power from on high.”
๐ Acts 1:8
“Ye shall receive power…”
๐ Not tied to location—tied to condition of heart
Nemenhah:
The Tuhhuhl Nuhmehn trains individuals to see and hear God directly
Post-Joseph LDS:
Endowment connected to temple ceremony and priesthood structure.
๐ Observation:
Heaven-sent empowerment vs structured ritual system
๐ 6. Church vs Kingdom
Restored Gospel:
The Kingdom of God is internal first.
๐ Luke 17:21
“The kingdom of God is within you.”
๐ Romans 14:17
“The kingdom of God is… righteousness, and peace…”
Nemenhah:
Zion is lived—through relationships, consecration, and unity.
Post-Joseph LDS:
Church organization represents the Kingdom.
๐ Observation:
Inner kingdom vs institutional identity
๐️ 7. Spiritual Equality
Restored Gospel:
The Spirit is poured out on all.
๐ Joel 2:28
“Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy…”
๐ Moroni 10:5
“By the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.”
Nemenhah:
Council of Mothers, shared stewardship, women and men both acting in spiritual authority
Post-Joseph LDS:
Revelation flows primarily through ordained hierarchy.
๐ Observation:
Distributed gifts vs centralized authority
๐ง 8. Iniquity & Blindness
Restored Gospel:
Iniquity includes replacing God’s voice with tradition.
๐ Mark 7:13
“Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition…”
๐ Mosiah 3:19
“Putteth off the natural man…”
Nemenhah:
Warning against turning sacred things into rigid, lifeless systems.
Post-Joseph LDS:
Iniquity framed primarily as behavioral sin.
๐ Observation:
Spiritual blindness vs moral framing
๐ฑ 9. Suffering & Transformation
Restored Gospel:
Suffering transforms—not just tests.
๐ Mosiah 24:14–15
“I will also ease the burdens…”
๐ Hebrews 12:6
“Whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth…”
Nemenhah:
Trials refine godlike character, not just obedience patterns.
Post-Joseph LDS:
Often framed as tests of worthiness or endurance.
๐ Observation:
Refinement vs evaluation
๐งญ 10. Hearing God
Restored Gospel Core:
Everything leads to this:
๐ John 10:27
“My sheep hear my voice…”
๐ 2 Nephi 32:5
“The Holy Ghost… will show unto you all things…”
Nemenhah:
Train your senses to actually hear and see—this is the purpose of the path.
Post-Joseph LDS:
Guidance often comes through leaders and correlated teachings.
๐ Observation:
Direct relationship vs mediated guidance
๐ฟ 11. Zion
Restored Gospel:
Zion begins inside.
๐ Moses 7:18
“The Lord called his people Zion, because they were of one heart…”
Nemenhah:
Rule of 150, consecration, unity, lived peace.
Post-Joseph LDS:
Future gathering, temple expansion.
๐ Observation:
Present reality vs future expectation
๐ 12. Sacred vs Living
This one hit me hardest.
From your earlier study:
๐ Tsi Muhayl 8:38
“When the holy incense is taken away…”
๐ Meaning:
When the Spirit is gone…
but the structure remains.
Restored Gospel:
The Spirit makes everything alive.
Nemenhah:
Without the Haymehnay, ordinances are empty.
Post-Joseph LDS:
Structure continues regardless of individual spiritual experience.
๐ Observation:
Living presence vs preserved form
❤️ Final Thought (Stay Soft)
I’m not writing this to tear anything down.
There are good, sincere people everywhere.
People who love the Savior deeply.
I’ve been one of them my whole life.
But the scriptures keep pointing me to something simple:
๐ The goal was never to follow a system.
๐ The goal was to know Him.
And once you start seeing that…
Everything begins to line up differently.
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๐️ Restored Gospel vs. Post-Joseph LDS Theology
(Simple Side-by-Side Comparison)
| Topic | Restored Gospel (Scripture-Centered) | Post-Joseph LDS Theology |
|---|---|---|
| ๐ฅ Baptism of the Holy Ghost | Baptism of fire = real transforming event after repentance (2 Nephi 31–32) | Given at confirmation; often viewed as automatic |
| ๐ชถ Truth Progression | Truth revealed line upon line; seekers must grow and shed lower understanding (Alma 32) | Truth stabilized through prophetic continuity; consistency emphasized |
| ⚖️ Authority & Apostasy | Apostasy = trusting men without personal revelation (2 Nephi 28:31) | Apostasy = rejecting Church leadership |
| ๐ Nature of the Soul | Ongoing progression; learning continues beyond a single lifetime (seen in expanded records like Nemenhah) | One mortal life followed by judgment; no return |
| ๐️ Endowment of Power | Comes from heaven through sanctification (Acts 1:8) | Tied to temple ordinances and priesthood structure |
| ๐ Church vs Kingdom | Kingdom of God is within (Luke 17:21); Church is preparatory | Church = Kingdom = fullness |
| ๐️ Spiritual Equality | All can prophesy and hear God (Joel 2:28) | Prophet is primary revelator; hierarchy defines authority |
| ๐ง Iniquity | Clinging to false traditions over God's voice (Mark 7:13) | Primarily behavioral sin |
| ๐ฑ Suffering | Refines and transforms into godlike character (Mosiah 24:14) | Often framed as a test of obedience |
| ๐งญ Hearing God | Direct relationship—“My sheep hear my voice” (John 10:27) | Often mediated through leaders and structure |
| ๐ฟ Zion | Begins within; lived through consecration and unity | Future gathering tied to Church structure |
| ๐ Stewardship | Family-centered, Spirit-led governance (Nemenhah teachings) | Centralized programs and leadership direction |
| ๐ Sacred vs Secret | Sacred things shared with the humble | Sacred ordinances restricted |
| ❤️ Core Test | Does it bring you closer to Christ? | Does it align with Church teachings? |
๐ SIMILAR POSTS TO READ NEXT:
Don’t Follow the White Robe — Follow the Voice — A deeper look at Lehi’s dream and how false authority can quietly lead sincere people away.
The True Doctrine of Christ — 2 Nephi 31–32 — A simple walk through how the baptism of fire actually happens.
Zion Is Not What I Thought It Was — Why Zion begins inside before it ever appears outside.
The Condemnation That Still Stands — What D&C 84 really says about the whole Church being under condemnation.
Borrowed Light vs. Your Own Lamp — Why secondhand testimony won’t carry you through what’s coming.
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๐ https://thetrueremnantblog.blogspot.com
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